Upper North Shore & Hornsby · Motor vehicle accident claims

MVA lawyer Pennant Hills: trucks, buses and rideshare

Came off, knocked down or hurt as a passenger? Start with whether it counts as a motor accident.

A motor accident claim in NSW turns on a motor vehicle, not on what you were riding or where you were walking. If a car, truck, bus or motorbike played a part in how you were hurt near Pennant Hills, you may have a claim even though you weren't driving. The edge cases are technical, so our free check starts there before anything else.

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Getting around Pennant Hills on two wheels, on foot or by bus

Freight uses NorthConnex and the M1, but local delivery trucks still travel Pennant Hills Road and the Pacific Highway. A crash with one is claimed through the truck's CTP insurer, like any other vehicle. Near Pennant Hills station, buses pull in and out, taxis and rideshare cars stop briefly, and people cross between them. Injuries in that mix are often motor accidents, so note the vehicle's registration or route number. Around the NorthConnex tunnel portal, shared paths, driveways and car park entries are where cars most often cross the path of cyclists and walkers. Photograph the layout and any signs, because fault can turn on who should have given way.

Hospitals serving the area include Hornsby Ku-ring-gai Hospital. Fractures, hip and pelvic injuries and head injuries are common after crashes involving unprotected road users, and each one should be recorded, not only the most obvious.

Region
Upper North Shore & Hornsby
Postcode
2120
Getting around
Pennant Hills station · bus stops on Pennant Hills Road
Main roads
Pennant Hills Road · Yarrara Road
Local landmarks
NorthConnex tunnel portal · Pennant Hills Park
Nearest public hospital
Hornsby Ku-ring-gai Hospital

Is what happened near Pennant Hills a motor accident?

In NSW, a motor accident is generally an incident involving the use or operation of a motor vehicle that causes an injury. You don't need to have been driving, or even in a vehicle. A pedestrian, a cyclist, a pillion passenger and a bus passenger can all be injured in a motor accident. For accidents from 1 December 2017, the Motor Accident Injuries Act 2017 sets the rules.

Getting into or out of a vehicle is a common grey area. If a passing car hit you as you stepped out, or your driver moved off while you were halfway out, the injury may come from the use of a motor vehicle. Whether it does depends on exactly what happened, so write it down while it's fresh and have it checked.

Bike riders and the CTP scheme

Dooring is one of the more common ways cyclists are hurt in busy streets. A car door opened into your path is generally part of using that car, even while it's parked, so the injury claim goes to its CTP insurer. Before the car leaves, record its plate and who opened the door, and photograph the door and where you fell.

E-scooters raise a question of their own. A scooter isn't covered by CTP insurance itself, so if a scooter rider knocked you down on a footpath, a CTP claim is unlikely and another path may apply. If a car hit you while you were on a scooter, a claim against the car's insurer may still be possible. Have the specific facts checked.

Read next:Cyclist accident claims

Buses, taxis, rideshare and delivery riders

Buses, taxis and rideshare cars carry CTP insurance like any other registered vehicle. As a passenger, you generally claim against the insurer of whichever vehicle caused the crash: the one you were in if its driver was at fault, or another vehicle if that driver was. You claim against the insurer, not the bus company or the app. Passengers are rarely found at fault.

Delivery riders use bikes, e-bikes, scooters, motorbikes and cars, and a motor vehicle is often involved when they're hurt. A rider who is an employee and working at the time generally needs to claim workers compensation first, with a CTP damages claim against an at-fault driver still possible. Some platforms also carry their own injury cover, on terms that vary, so keep any policy you were given.

Read next:Rideshare and taxi accident claims

If you were on foot

Not every pedestrian injury happens on a street. Shopping centre, station and hospital car parks are open to the public, and a person hit there by a car that is reversing or turning can usually claim. A vehicle rolling down a home driveway can also be a motor accident, sometimes involving a child and a family car. The details matter, so check before assuming you can't claim.

For an older person, being knocked down by a vehicle can mean weeks away from home and help with everyday tasks afterwards. Record what support they now need, from shopping to personal care. Age doesn't affect the right to claim, and a family member can help manage the claim if the injured person agrees.

Read next:Pedestrian accident claims

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Is it a motor accident? A quick guide

Whether you can make a motor accident claim depends on whether a motor vehicle was involved in how you were hurt, not on whether you were driving. Use the two lists as a rough guide. The details decide the harder cases.

Usually a CTP (motor accident) claim

  • A car, truck, bus or motorbike hit you while you were walking, riding or cycling
  • You were a pillion, or a passenger on a bus, in a taxi or in a rideshare car
  • Someone opened the door of a parked car into your path
  • An unsecured load or a loose trailer caused your crash (generally)
  • A driver forced you off the road without touching you (it turns on the evidence)

Often not a CTP claim: check first

  • You came off your bicycle and no motor vehicle played any part
  • An e-scooter or bicycle rider knocked you down on a footpath
  • You were hurt at a track day, race meeting or other closed-circuit event
  • A pothole or loose gravel was the only cause of your fall
  • A quad bike or unregistered trail bike on private land was involved

General information, not legal advice. Whether an incident is a motor accident depends on the facts. Time limits apply.

Trucks and heavy vehicles

Something falling from a truck, such as an unsecured load or a trailer coming loose, can be part of the truck's use or operation, so its CTP insurer may be responsible. Note the company name, any fleet number and the registration if you can. Company markings and the direction it was heading make a truck much easier to trace later.

Injuries from a crash with a heavy vehicle are often serious: fractures, head injuries and injuries to the spine. Medical evidence needs to cover every injury, and early legal advice can be worth having because more parties and more records are involved. That doesn't mean you need a lawyer to lodge, only that the file can become complex.

If you were on a motorbike

Arguments in rider claims tend to centre on where the bike was and whether it was visible. Lane position, moving between lanes of slow traffic, headlights and the driver's sightline all come up, and the road rules for motorcycles are detailed. Write down what you were doing and where, as precisely as you can, and have someone who knows those rules look at it before you accept a fault finding.

Riding pillion puts you in much the same position as a car passenger. You weren't steering, braking or choosing the line, so the fault question is mostly about the riders and drivers involved. Your claim goes to the insurer of whichever vehicle caused the crash, which may be the bike you were on. It is made against the insurer, never the rider personally.

Read next:Motorcycle accident claims

What to keep, depending on how you were travelling

If you ride, your own devices may hold the strongest evidence. Helmet and handlebar cameras, bike computers and tracking apps can show your speed, your line and the moment of impact. Copy the original files somewhere safe straight away, before a device loops over them, and don't trim or edit anything. Keep your damaged helmet and gear as they are.

  • Helmet, handlebar or dashcam footage, saved as the original file
  • The vehicle's registration, company name or route number
  • A screenshot of the rideshare or delivery trip
  • Names and numbers of witnesses who stopped

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Riders, pedestrians and passengers: when a lawyer helps

The CTP scheme covers most road users, but the edge cases are where people get stuck. If the insurer says your crash isn't a motor accident, or your working arrangement complicates things, advice is often worth having.

Often worth talking to a lawyer

  • Cover is disputed because you were riding an e-bike or e-scooter
  • The insurer says your riding gear or helmet made your injuries worse
  • The insurer says your crash wasn't a motor accident at all
  • You were hurt getting into or out of a vehicle and the insurer disputes cover

You may not need one

  • You only need help working out which insurer to contact
  • You came off a bicycle alone and just need to confirm it isn't a CTP matter
  • You were a bus or rideshare passenger and the insurer has accepted the claim

Riders, cyclists and pedestrians often have several injuries at once. We can point you to doctors and allied health who work with CTP claims and can record each one on the Certificate of Fitness.

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