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A rear-end crash in traffic, a collision at an intersection, a lane change that went wrong: around Pleasure Point, as anywhere in NSW, the injury claim usually goes to the insurer of the vehicle at fault. When that is obvious, many people never need a lawyer. When the drivers disagree or the insurer says you contributed, advice is often worth having. Our free check helps you tell which situation you're in.

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Pleasure Point: local roads, car parks and evidence of fault

Hoxton Park Road, The Horsley Drive and Cowpasture Road have busy intersections. If the other driver claims you failed to give way, the signs, the lights and any witness who stopped will carry weight. Intersections along Pleasure Point Road and Newbridge Road can involve turning arrows, give-way signs and changing lights. If fault is argued, a photo of the signals and lane markings taken on the day is hard to dispute. Streets near bus stops for Liverpool and Holsworthy carry buses, taxis and drop-offs that stop and start without much warning. In a crash with a vehicle pulling out from the kerb, fault often depends on who had to give way.

Region
Liverpool & Fairfield
Postcode
2172
Main roads
Pleasure Point Road · Newbridge Road
Getting around
bus services to Liverpool and Holsworthy

The first hours after a crash, and the question of fault

Once everyone is safe and anyone hurt has help, your memory of the crash is at its sharpest. Note which lane each car was in, what the lights or signs showed, roughly how fast you were going and where the vehicles came to rest. Write down anything the other driver said about how it happened. These details can decide fault later, and they fade within days.

  • The lane each vehicle was in, and any lane change
  • Skid marks, debris and the damage to each vehicle
  • Exactly what the other driver said, written down that day
  • Weather, light and the road surface at the time

Read next:What to do after a car accident in NSW

Passengers: why the fault question is usually about the drivers

Being a passenger doesn't make fault irrelevant. It shifts the question to the drivers. If the driver of your car and another driver both contributed, your claim may involve both vehicles' insurers. Your own conduct can still come up in limited ways, such as not wearing a seatbelt or travelling with a driver you knew was affected by alcohol.

Children in the car are in a special position. Whoever caused the crash, a child aged 16 or under at the time can keep receiving treatment and care for as long as they need it. Usually a parent or guardian lodges the claim for them. Fault can still matter for other entitlements, so keep the police record with the rest of the child's claim papers.

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Fault and your claim: four situations

Fault rarely decides whether you can claim at all. Most injured people get statutory benefits whoever caused the crash. What fault changes is how long those benefits can run and whether a lump sum is possible. These four positions cover most car accidents.

  1. Situation 1

    You were not at fault

    If another driver caused the crash, their vehicle's CTP insurer deals with your claim. Having no share of the blame keeps the most options open, including a later damages claim where the injury goes beyond the threshold.

  2. Situation 2

    You were partly at fault

    Partial fault is common and usually a question of degree. A finding of contributory negligence can lower weekly payments beyond 52 weeks and reduce damages, so the percentage the insurer picks is worth checking.

  3. Situation 3

    You were wholly or mostly at fault

    'Mostly at fault' means contributory negligence greater than 61%. Weekly payments and treatment and care are then generally limited to the first 52 weeks, with no common law damages. Children 16 and under keep treatment and care for as long as they need it.

  4. Situation 4

    No one was clearly at fault

    Some crashes happen without any driver being at fault, for example after a sudden medical episode or an unforeseeable mechanical failure. NSW has 'blameless accident' rules that may let an injured person claim in some of these cases. They are technical, so get advice.

General information, not legal advice. Fault and contributory negligence are decided on the evidence. Time limits apply.

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Several vehicles, several insurers: working out fault

In a two-car crash, the injury claim usually goes to the CTP insurer of the car at fault, which is your own vehicle's insurer if you caused it. When fault is shared or unclear, the insurers may not agree at first. That shouldn't hold up your claim. Lodge with the insurer that fits the evidence you have, and let the fault question be worked out as the claim proceeds.

If you were hit from behind and pushed into the car in front, you may have been blameless in both impacts. Make that clear in your account: which impact came first, and whether you had stopped before being hit. Insurers sometimes treat a chain crash as one event, and the sequence is what shows your own share was nil.

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If the insurer says you contributed

A seatbelt argument is the classic example. If the insurer says your injuries were worse because you weren't belted in, it may reduce what you receive. The percentage isn't set by a formula. It's argued on the evidence, including expert evidence about how each injury happened, which makes it worth checking rather than simply accepting.

Check the percentage

A contributory negligence finding is usually expressed as a percentage. A few points either side of the 'mostly at fault' line can decide whether damages are possible at all, so ask how the figure was worked out.

Read next:Can I claim if I was partly at fault?

How fault is shown after a car crash

Dashcam footage is often the clearest evidence of fault, but many cameras record over themselves within hours or days. Save the original file as soon as you can, and don't trim or edit it. If another driver or a nearby business may have footage, ask early and in writing, because it may not be kept for long.

Your own account matters too, and consistency is what gives it weight. Write down what happened soon after the crash and keep that note. When you later describe the crash to the police, the insurer or a lawyer, tell it the same way. Differences between early and later accounts are one of the first things an insurer looks for.

  • Dashcam footage, saved as the original file
  • Photos of both vehicles' damage and final positions
  • Your own written account from the first days
  • Photos of signals, signs and lane markings

Save footage early

Shops, buses and homes with cameras often keep footage only briefly. Ask in writing as soon as you can, giving the date, time and exact spot.

What fault changes in your claim

Think of the claim in two parts. Statutory benefits come first and, for most people, don't depend on who caused the crash. Common law damages come later and depend heavily on it: another driver must have been at fault, you must not have been mostly at fault, and the injury must be more than a threshold injury. That is why fault is worth attention early.

Rules change

Your accident date decides which rules apply. Accidents before 1 December 2017 fall under the older 1999 Act, and some limits changed again on 1 April 2023.

Read next:At fault vs not at fault

Fault disputes: when a lawyer is worth a call

Being told you caused a crash when you believe you didn't is stressful, especially when damages depend on it. Before you respond, gather what you have: the event number, photos, footage, witness details and your own notes. Then get advice. An independent lawyer can say whether the finding looks sound and what challenging it would involve.

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Fault after a crash: when to call a lawyer, and when you may not need one

A lawyer isn't a box to tick after every crash. When fault is clear and accepted, many people run their own claim. When it's argued, split or pinned on you, advice is often worth having.

Often worth talking to a lawyer

  • Fault is split between several drivers and no insurer will take the claim
  • You've been asked for a detailed statement about how the crash happened
  • A fault decision has been made and the review deadline is running
  • A seatbelt or speed argument is being used to cut your claim

You may not need one

  • You only need help identifying the at-fault vehicle's insurer
  • You only need to know which form to fill in
  • You were a passenger and nobody disputes which driver caused it

Fault may be the legal question, but evidence decides it. Keep the police event number, photos, dashcam footage and witness details together, and write down your own account while it's fresh. What to do after a car accident

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